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AU 2500 S (2.7L PI) [2000 / 2500] (Glen Johnson) -» Login to contact this user!

YEAR:1977
VIN:AU5949
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REG:EG4001
PURCHASE DATE:20-04-2000
MILEAGE:>81,000
COLOUR:Bright Brown (Burnt Sienna to some)
LOCATION:Lenah Valley

Owner's other cars:
Spitfire 4 (Mk1), Volvo XC70, Stag MK2

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28/3/2008 I was just checking out to see if all 2500 manual prop shafts are the same length regardless of overdrive being present. According to RimmerBros http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/rimmer/triumph/2000/prop all manual box cars have the same prop. ...
23/3/2008 I rushed to try and sort out the alternator belt issue on Sunday. I tried to switch over to a different alternator but I didn't have one with an internal regulator. I ended up sticking with the Bosch and noted that the bracket mount holes are bigger ...
17/3/2008 I overhauled the front suspension in my 'clone red' 2500S a few months ago. The local Jaguar restorer rang me, he'd been cleaning out and found a pair of NOS 'Monroe-Wylie' super-heavy duty front strut inserts for Triumph sedan, $20 each, did I want ...
17/3/2008 If it's any use to you Glen ... here's the photo I took from above http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2347/2420311234_c7a6aab05a_b.jpg
16/3/2008 I forgot to mention - both front wheel bearings are sloppy - how annoying. Maybe there's some truth to the rumour that cars sitting around idle destroy their wheel bearings. One more thing for the list.
10/3/2008 Good to see you made it back ok Glen One day I will get to hear your beast singing its 7,000 rpm song I'm sure of it. We took the extra long route home via Tooms Lake and Stonehenge (turns out it's a big old house). Pretty smooth dirt roads with ...
6/3/2008 OK. 8am at Salamanca Place. Good. No probs. Out on the highway and bring it up to 110km'hr and what's that rumble??? The car hadn't been up to highway speeds since the last club run in Jan when the dif blew and the underneath got all smashed up ...
5/3/2008 Massive amount of work today - 10.5 hrs straight with no breaks. Removed front strut assemblies. Stripped. Chopped springs 1.5 coils (to a free length of 275mm vs 360mm). Reassembled. Replaced on car. Front now back to proper height - i.e. you ...
4/3/2008 still good to have the whole thing apart and verified the problem. Too easy to make assumptions and stay buried in pooh. good lck on the run. stu
3/3/2008 I fired it up tonight and no oil leaks. ROCK ON! Great. So with a 0.5L of oil or so and we're all good to go. I'm ultra nervous now about the club run as I'm starting to see that breakdowns are almost guaranteed on each outing given that the car ...
2/3/2008 I've borrowed a camera from one of my staff at work so I'll soon be posting pictures again.... A few learnings today - I went to a specialist hose supplier. They checked over my dodgy hose. It seems that the yellow plastic fittings on my oil ...
1/3/2008 I've removed the oil cooler tonight - trying to get ready for the weekend club run. Sure enough the yellow plastic part of the push on fitting was damaged. It wasn't a simple crack - it looked like it had been squashed with multi grips and had ...
3/2/2008 Indeed. All things considered it was pretty mild. These are genuinely robust cars and I had thought - what if this happened to the Stag or something else... you could imagine a blown head gasket, warped head, etc.... The things that gave issues ...
3/2/2008 ouchies....hard luck story Glen, but it could have been a lot worse, seriously so and I think you might have got out of it lightly....which is a good thing. Looks like a great set up btw, but tring to find why the belt went on the alternator is ...
2/2/2008 What a sleepless night I had. This morning, equipped with a spare battery, a swag of tools, bottle of water, and bottle of oil, Amanda and I went to supercheap and purchased the ONE AND ONLY 11A1155 belt hiding underneath the rack of belts..... and ...
2/2/2008 Test drive - and the problems.... So I take it out for a run. Wow it's a different car. Every bump is a solid but smooth Doooomp, Dooooomp... No knocks, clunks, dangs or donks... First impressions: The car is transformed over the previous KYB gas ...
2/2/2008 Argh! what a harsh weekend - read on. What started out as a serious push to get the Koni's fitted turned into a bit of fiddling with improving the anti-roll bar setup. I fit the Koni's to the car in reasonable time - failing to forget the previous ...
27/1/2008 I can kind of follow this Glen. My experience with konis (adjustable D's iirc) was on the sprint, again back in around '83 and i remember the adjusting setup being similar to as you describe. being a bit stupid in those days I assumed maximum damping ...
27/1/2008 I spent an hour this evening putting together the Koni strut setup. A few tips. To adjust them you push the main shaft all the way to the bottom of its travel. At the bottom if you twist it you can feel a notch. You can then push a bit further into ...
27/1/2008 Mystery clonk solved. OK - what goes knock, knock, clonk, donk on corners and bumps......? Here's what I checked.... Is it? Worn top strut mounts - NO Worn bottom ball joints - NO Loose wheels - NO Loose cross member - NO Loose steering ...
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MODIFICATIONS, CONVERSIONS, HISTORY
The Lump:
  • Fast Road Camshaft reground by Surecam from a standard 'S' cam,
  • 0.291" camlift equating to 0.403" at the valve,
  • 224 duration at .050" camlift,
  • Block Overbored to 2.7L,
  • Rotating assembly has been balanced,
  • Standard (balanced) con rods,
  • Hepolite pistons
    (intended for Mazda 626 engine),
  • 6>2>1 Fast road 2-piece Moss TRIUMPHTUNE extractors - with a ceramic coated exterior,
  • 2.25" exhaust re-routed for straight path
    (trailing links customised for this),
  • TriumphTune Spin on alloy oil filter conversion with Valvoline V032 Filter,
  • Serck Marston "Speed" 13 Row Oil Cooler on custom alloy brackets. Mounted on front engine cross-member.
  • Uprated Oil Relief spring,
  • Modified 219015 casting cylinder head with large stainless steel valves, shaved to 9.5:1 compression (kept street-able) and setup for unleaded fuel,
  • Running Mobil 1 5W/50 Fully Synthetic Engine Oil.
  • Double Thrust Washers on Crank,
  • Double Valve springs,
  • Stag Valve Spring retainers,
  • Re-faced cam followers and rocker arms,
  • Goodmans Rocker oil feed line,
  • Magnetic Sump Plug,
  • Chromed rocker cover with custom machined alloy nuts courtesy of Roger King,
  • Cold air supply through front mounted K&N Conical Filter (Forward of the radiator),
  • Compression Test results for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 gives 150, 160, 160, 150, 170, 145 psi. Averaging out to 155psi and a worst case reading spread of 8.8% across cylinders.

Fuel System:
  • Lucas Mk2 Injection setup with customised linkages (and converted for use with unleaded fuel),
  • Powder coated intake plenum,
  • Re-profiled Metering Unit to suit fast road camshaft. Bench calibrated to my camshaft by Greg Tunstall (then hand tweaked using A/F meter in car),
  • Bosch electronic Fuel Pump,
  • Twin fuel filter setup with pre and post pump filtering,
  • High Pressure in car liquid filled Fuel Pressure Gauge,
Ignition System:
  • Scorcher Ignition System (with plug-in mapped advance curve module) by Performance Ignition Services - set at 10deg BTDC. Providing 30 degrees advance from static,
  • High Energy coil,
  • Magnacore Ignition leads,
  • NGK Iridium BPR6EIX Plugs with increased gap (debatable as to whether this is a suitable heat range).
  • Jacobs Electronics OptoTimer (currently not functioning).
Handling:
  • Lowered by 1.5",
  • KONI Classic RED Struts on all 4 corners,
  • Custom built box-steel Front strut tower brace,
  • Yokohama A539 195/60/14 tyres on refurbished 'S' rims,
  • Oversize Whiteline (Selby's) front anti-roll bar on custom mounts,
  • Rear anti-roll bar,
Safety Measures:
  • Rev limiter (ignition cut out type).
  • Gear shift warning bell (two stage warning before rev limit).
  • Fire extinguisher (under dash mounted).
  • Master Electrical overload / cut-out switch,
  • Fuel System Cut-out switch,
Cooling:
  • Oversize Aussie version of 2500 radiator,
  • Thermostat controlled 350mm Davies Craig electronic cooling fan,
  • Thermo wrap around the extractors near the starter motor (extractors are phat and hot)
Bodyworks:
  • Front Spoiler (ex Dolomite 1850),
  • Sound-deadened Underbody,
  • Boot, engine bay and body over top half of doors, door surrounds and around front grille has been resprayed in black,
Miscellaneous:
  • Power Steering
  • Reconditioned Steering Rack,
Electrics:
  • Bosch 60A Alternator with custom-built bracket attached to a front engine plate bolt using a 1155mmx11mm belt (hanging out wide away from plug #1 for a change)
  • Halogen Main beams with relays on all white lights,
  • Halogen Driving lights (mounted on spoiler),
  • High Torque Light Weight IMI Custom Gear Reduction Starter Motor (essential - would not start when hot with standard starter),
  • Remote control Central Locking and engine immobiliser,
  • Powered O2 sensor fitted at extractor y-piece collector and connected to an air/fuel ratio gauge in car.
  • Electronic oil pressure Gauge by AutoGage,
  • Rear battery conversion (heavy duty cable inside flexible conduit - routed to rear right boot area and contained in a marine battery box),
Interior:
  • Customised Dashboard with Smiths Manifold vacuum gauge and electronic oil pressure gauge.
  • Brown Carpets.
  • Late model pale cream coloured TC seats (part cloth / part vinyl) - better wearing than the all velour ones of the 'S'.
Brakes:
  • Standard Lockheed calipers and Drums with harder pads,
  • Vacuum Booster Tank on brake servo,
The Drivetrain:
  • Reconditioned 4spd gearbox with J-Type overdrive (operating on 3rd and 4th as standard),
  • Lightened Stock Flywheel,
  • 4.11:1 Differential
  • 1.7/8th Inch Clutch Slave Cylinder (up from the 1.3/4 standard),
  • Breather line fitted to gearbox,
  • Rebuilt Dif, hubs and half shafts,


SO WHAT'S IT LIKE:
The current motor was installed at 77,315km. It's seen 7200RPM at short bursts but we're limiting it to 6500 as this is still a standard crank and don't want any surprises. Even though it will rev right through the factory red line I don't see any point in going much harder than about 6700.

There's been some trouble with rough starts and rich idle due to an incorrectly configured metering unit (and linkage trouble), but it's a reliable piece of fun now. I still have had the occasional 4 or 5cyl only starts when hot and need to rev it for about 30sec to make it even out. Someone mentioned something about dodgy banjo bolts.... In truth I think it was the dodgy injector I found a while ago - see the blog for comments.

It goes much harder than the standard S motor but not as hard as I would have hoped. I was aiming for 180-200 BHP but compared to other cars I think it would be more realistic to say that it puts out 160-180 BHP. I plan to install a roller rocker kit - hopefully will get away with an increased ratio kit without putting a valve through a piston crown or binding up the valve springs (fingers crossed).

It pulls strongly from about 1500 upwards in any gear - but below that it can be rather lazy. It's too lean down low and I've had trouble sorting this out - although it now seems good.. I think the min-fuel setting on the metering unit is to blame but have also had trouble sorting out a good linkage setup. I have trouble with part throttle operation unless the choke is out a bit. It comes on song near 3500 RPM and keeps going effortlessly up past 6 - and if you're keen it will wind right off the tacho but the power curve starts dropping off a little after 6 anyway. It feels like peak power is somewhere up in the mid 6's which is strange as the cam profile suggests more like 5800. I'd also guess that peak torque was somewhere around 2500-3500RPM. Compare all of this to the original motor which felt like it was going to fly apart as it hit a brick wall at 5650RPM (power also fell off steeply after 5000). I don't think I've lost any of the low RPM torque of the original motor.

The handling mods have resulted in something very chuck-able, very reliable and predictable, but it has resulted in greater understeer than the original setup - especially with the addition of the rear bar. Flexibility over nasty humps on curves and steep driveway entrances is terrible given the reduced wheel travel - but on the street and HWY it is a treat to drive - being very very direct in hand and stable to boot.

The Bosch pump is noisy - and the increased strain on the alternator often left me with a dead battery (after night time driving) so I recommend an alternator upgrade if you're adding more 'always-on' electrical items as I have.

Prior to fitting the oil cooler the pressure was fairly inconsistent and gave 80PSI at 800RPM cold, 20PSI at 800RPM hot and 60PSI at 2500RPM. After oil cooler installation pressure figures changed to 65, 28 and 60PSI respectively so as you can see the pressure stays much more consistent and the extremes have been chopped off. I am not yet running a thermostat on the cooler so I will comment on that later. I'm concerned about winter operation being too cold.

It idles with 9-10inHg of manifold vacuum and although a bit cammy it will idle suitably as low as 500 if you were so inclined. I leave it at 7-800RPM idle for smoothness sake. However, given my lean fuel low RPM issues I've noticed the engine a lot nicer to use if the idle is set at about 1000RPM. I'm not sure why this is.

SCHEDULED UPGRADES:
  • Creative Engineering (Jim Swarthout's) 1.6:1 Alloy Roller Rockers + increased valve lift ratio.
  • BMW vented brake rotors on front.
  • Volvo four pot calipers on front.
  • Datsun Roller Halfshafts.
  • Finned alloy brake drums from Datsun 240/280 OR a custom rear disc brake conversion.
WISHLIST:
  • LSD.
  • Brake ducting for cooling of front discs.
  • Electronically managed Water Injection.
  • Ducting to cold air intake to give positive air pressure at the filter.
  • Tinted perspex windows.
  • Alloy water pump pulley and housing.
  • Alloy radiator.
  • Fibreglass bonnet with louvers.
  • Baffled Sump.
  • Customise center console to be more like that of the Stag (i.e. mostly wood with a black leather gear shift gaiter rather than the vinyl stuff).


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SPECIAL INTEREST PROJECTS
Conversion of 2500 S to PI
In the quest for ever greater power and fun from the old girl we thought Graeme Reading might like to have a fiddle with the 'S'. This is essentially a copy of the motor in their Targa car apart ... more
Kienzle Clock repair
The clocks in the 2000/2500/dolomite saloons always seem to be busted. Mine ran fine but gained at least 10 minutes every couple of days. I pulled it out of the dash with the plan to adjust the ... more
Stag - 2500 S Alloy Wheel Refurbishment
I'll post full details here when I get the other photos processed.




Basically:
1. Paint stripper.
2. Lathe down the edges to be clean
OR
2. ... more

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